Gender Roles are the Worst Kind of Bread 35

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Delany Powell

The American Association for the Advancement of Science recently opened a study which showed that girls starting at the age of six are less likely to believe that people of their own gender are brilliant, which harkens back many studies from years and years ago.

Back in 2004, the AAAS did a study showing that children are not born with a sense of what is “socially acceptable” for their specific gender. They believe whatever they are told, whether that is to play with dolls or action figures, to wear dresses or pants.

The study and the article along with it say that we shouldn’t teach kids to be close-minded about these things, that kids should be raised to believe they can be whoever they feel is fit. Many students here at Stacey agree.

“I feel that kids should be raised in an open-minded home,” says an anonymous source. “And the fact that one whole gender is starting to think they are the minority and not equal really makes me sad,” they said.

The AAAS researchers state, “Children who are really, really smart come from both and all genders. We don’t fully understand why one gender feels submissive to another, but we think it might have to do with gender roles and what girls think their priorities should be.”

Some feminists at this school feel strongly about this subject.

“I think it’s a problem that the ‘like a girl’ thing is a negative statement because women nowadays are accomplishing more than men,” says Emme Armijo, an eighth grader here at Stacey.

“Gender roles are trash,” says another anonymous source. “It’s been proven throughout history that it doesn’t matter what gender you are, we all have the same potential.”

There is evidence to support this. For instance, the person who created Gucci was male and dating back to the 1600’s, the person who created Frankenstein was female.

Long story short, hello? 1950’s? You left your gender roles in this era, could you come and pick them up, please?

*It was not lost on the editorial staff that two of our sources preferred to not be named. Clearly, this by itself speaks volumes about gender issues today.

35 comments

  1. Now this entire post is controversial all over.
    Let me make some formal valid points and arguements which might be controversial to some as well.

    “women nowadays are accomplishing more than men”
    How is this even true? Where are the statistics and facts? Without that, it’s just flat out sexist.
    (Yes Women can be sexist too.)

    “Some feminists at this school who feel strongly about this subject.”
    There is no need for feminism in our country or the whole west for that matter, but in other countries where women are looked down upon, they should be equal with no doubt in my mind. When you think about it, the entire system is reversed

    Since when do men in the US get maternity leave?

    The wage gap doesn’t exist as it doesn’t take into account the jobs or hours worked, and it does not include overtime, etc. It’s only average income

    Women get highly preferential treatment in court. (It’s a fact)

    The same people that claim to be feminists also support Sharia Law (E:Women’s March on DC)
    (Sharia Law dictates women are inferior to men and in Sharia Law harming women is approved of.)

    And those are just SOME examples.
    Please feel free to criticize, I love a good debate. This post is not against women, I’m just pointing out some faults with this and how the authors don’t take other things such as these into consideration. I believe all women should be treated equal, I just don’t believe feminism is relevant to the west.

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    • Finally, somebody who actually supports their opinions with facts. I’m really glad you took the time to present your case and reach out to people who don’t fully understand the feminist movement.

      Feminism by definition means equality regardless of gender. So, though this wasn’t exactly the main focus of the article, true feminists do support giving men equality as well. Courts should give men equal chance, as you pointed out.

      I think a lot of what you said is true, but there is a need for feminism in this country. There are still places across the country where women are mistreated or looked down upon. Even as a woman in California, one of the most developed states in the country, there are times when I feel deeply offended by sexist slurs I hear on TV or even in my day-to-day life. If you look at some of the things said by Trump and other opinionated, chauvinistic men like him, you can see that there is still a definite need for feminism in our country. We are not “housewives” by default, like they tend to think.

      Again, thank you for your in depth opinion on the article and I really hope others will partake in this discussion. I, too, love a good, heated debate.

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      • Now I really do appreciate your valid viewpoint on things. And I agree sexist slurs are offensive and just downright rude. What Trump said was just downright idiotic and sexist not to mention, but he’s not the first to be what people would call a offensive or “bad president” now would he? What about Nixon’s watergate scandals and when he authorized Operation Menu? Or when Truman nuked Nagasaki and Hiroshima with Little Boy and Fat Man killing as many as 200,000 Japanese Civillians? And I like how the media avoids Clinton’s bad side and how they ignore Trump’s good side. Remember a few years back when Secretary Clinton was irresponsible and got our US Embassy (and a CIA annex) attacked and caused American lives to be lost? But racial, religious, sexuality, or sexist slurs are just words sput out by some idiot at the end of the day. Some people find them funny some people don’t. The whole purpose of the feminist movement is for women to be powerful and strong, isn’t it? So why women feel harassed or bad when they hear a sexist slur, they should feel empowered and bigger than the harasser. But all I’ve ever seen and observed is, not at all, women being powerful and standing up for themselves. The only Feminists I’ve seen show the movement as stubborn-minded and prejudiced, acting upon illogical, biased and, therefore, extremist values. A movement is its voice in the media, and anyone who says otherwise is constantly bombarded with the notion that women are the only oppressed gender while men are the (only) perpetrators of rape, rape threats, domestic violence, cat calling, sexual objectification and with simple mindsets such as ‘America’s a sea of misogyny’, ‘men should just shut up’ and ‘men avoid housework and don’t do their share’. This can only have one outcome: suspicion, dislike and blame toward all men. Which makes ME feel deeply offended as well. It’s just part of life, someone ALWAYS has to disagree with you. Somewhere out there.

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      • The Cougar Chronicle appreciates your perspective. We believe it is important for all perspectives to be acknowledged. It is difficult to understand what is like to be someone else so let me share my perspective because I get the feeling you are not a girl. I do not think women feel “bad” when they hear a sexist slur. I do not think they internalize what they hear as you seem to be suggesting. I think women are just fatigued by a culture that has not treated them as equals and for leadership that does not always represent them. Slurs are designed to be demeaning and the acceptance of such behavior is consent. Feminist do not consent. There are those in any movement that fall to the extreme end of the spectrum. Those at that end also tend to be the loudest. That does not mean one should dismiss the message. Feminism is not hating men. It is empowering women to be strong, courageous, and confident and not to accept being treated otherwise. We, as humans, tend to generalize and stereotype. Perhaps this is where suspicion, dislike, and blame are born. There is always more to a story. There are many voices out there, and yes, often they disagree. That’s ok as long as we keep listening. Anytime you want to share your voice, it is welcome.

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    • By the way about that thing you said about maternity leave, men dont have to go through 9 months of waddling around and morning sickness and constantly being uncomfortable,so women deserve 1 or 2 months away from work.

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  2. @staceycougars

    “I think women are just fatigued by a culture that has not treated them as equals and for leadership that does not always represent them.”
    Sorry to rain on your parade, but that “culture” has been fixed to where gender literally doesn’t matter anymore and how about over in the slums of the middle east with ISIS and taliban crawling all over the place, what about their cultures and how women are oppressed over there? Where women can’t wear what they want and are more or less basically treated like slaves?
    Remember when women in the United States couldn’t vote?
    Remember when women in the United States didn’t have the right to call a divorce, only the man?
    Remember when women in the United States didn’t have equal pay?
    Remember when women in the United States were treated like slaves and actually kept in kitchens like servants instead of it being mentioned by some rude person out there?
    Remember when women in the United States couldn’t join the military because they were “too weak” or “too much of a liability”? But now Bravery has no gender!
    SUPRISE, SUPRISE, IT’S ALL GONE, WELCOME TO THE PRESENT MY FRIEND, WAKE UP.
    I’d say without a doubt the LGBT community is more oppressed than any other race or religion or gender out there.

    And the fact your movement wants slurs to be said with consent or non-existant in our modern society is close to impossible and literally conflicts with the United States Constitution. (As I’m assuming you believe slurs shouldn’t be used at all) “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech” However, I nowhere near think walking down the sidewalk spitting slurs out of your mouth like a normal routine is even close to okay, not to mention just being a uncivilized bigot.

    I’m not trying to offend anybody of any race or religion. I just simply scratch my head at the fact feminism still exists in the west and our Middle School supports it. The way I look at it, you can’t really be a full-fledged feminist without having bias about everything you hear. Same with anything else like Republicans or Democrats. Conservatives or Liberals. If you lean too far on one side, you reject things on the other side that might be better for our nation and the people in the long run than what your side has to say. I simply represent the people who believe we are equal as a whole society. When you lean on one side too much and 100% believe women are still under oppression you can’t open your eyes to see the entirety of our nation and what it’s accomplished for us and the people.

    Thank you if you actually took all your time to read this. I hope someone understands the point I’m making here.

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    • I think I understand what you’re saying and it’s really an interesting point. But I still have a few problems with what you said.

      First off, California is, admittedly, a very liberal place. Women are, for the most part, equal to men, but in some parts of the country, that’s not the case. We feel the need to show that all women deserve equality– Here, in other parts of the country, in the Middle East.

      Second, I don’t really see the point in talking about the LGBT rights needing more support than equality for women. Are we not able to support both? I consider myself to be a supporter of all equality, whether it be related to religion, gender, race, sexuality, or just about anything else.

      And my last big issue: You keep talking about freedom of speech and such, yet you can’t believe our Middle School is showing support towards feminism. Well, Miss Powell is protected under freedom of speech to write about any subject she feels has an effect on our school. It is her constitutional right, as you stated in your argument, to write about this and to support it wholeheartedly.

      I’m really glad that people are reading through this and commenting, but I do have one question. I support my views wholeheartedly and I’m not afraid of people knowing who I am. So, since you seem so strong and opinionated, why do you hide behind a masquerade of anonymity? That may sound prying or what have you, but I’m honestly just curious.

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      • Where would these “Some Parts of the Country” be? Where women aren’t equal?

        I only brought up the LGBT community as they’re hammered with more to deal with than women any day of the week.

        I have no problem with Miss Powell using freedom of speech about any subject she wants. But the thing is, this is school. This isn’t Capitol Hill or a rally. If you feel women need more rights or whatever, go protest or something. This is a website that (at least I thought) is supposed to update us on events that are going on in the school and our nation. It was a really great article and still is, that is until it gets to the feminist bias/rant started after “Some feminists at this school who feel strongly about this subject.”

        I prefer to remain anonymous as I feel controversial conversations like this will throw arguements and harassment my way at school. Why disrupt the process of learning so people will know who I am?

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      • “Where would these “Some Parts of the Country” be? Where women aren’t equal?”

        For one, in Congress. Our current congress is only 20% female. Imagine if 80% were female and only 20% male. Would that sit right with you? As the laws Congress passes affect men and women equally, my guess is you would want representation in Congress to have a better balance. To be fair, 20% is an achievement for this country. The US falls behind other western nations in this area. The challenge here is often to get women to run for office. There is more work to be done, and I am very aware that other groups are woefully under-represented as well.

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      • I think the “…women accomplish more than men” was extremist, but that was just said by a student and was not really meant to be an argument for feminism. However, as a male, it becomes annoying when there are things like this supporting feminism. I support equality of all kind as well, but when there is all this feminist propaganda, and nothing but “Men get more than women,” it becomes threatening and untrue. I’m not saying threatening as in like “You are afraid you’ll lose your power which shows men receive more benefits than women,” if that makes sense. But it is all this pity and empowerment for women, when I have done nothing and have never thought girls to be unequal. And I know that some men are sexist, but every single person that I know is not. Furthermore, when you talk about women not being in congress, how is that inequality? There is basically the same number of males and females in the U.S, and almost all adult citizens have the right to vote, regardless of gender. Nothing is stopping women from running for The Senate, and nothing is tipping the scales for men to be elected. That is just how the population is voting, including females. If women do not want to run, or do not want to vote for other women, it is not inequality, but simple exercising the American right to vote.

        (I almost deleted this too, which I wanted to add. I think that shows how the school is pro-feminist, and takes up space for anything else.)

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      • This article has uncovered some interesting things. By far it has turned out to be the most controversial. So you know, no comments have been screened out. I am glad you did not delete yours. I am curious though, is it this one article that you feel shows how this school is pro-feminist, or do you think that due to other factors? Because there are over 400 articles written that have nothing to do with feminism. I ask because I am truly curious. This publication does have mostly female writers. It would be great to have more stories written from a male perspective. More guys need to sign up for journalism!

        As far as Congress goes, it is not that people do not vote for women, they do. It really has to do with women not wanting to run. I am sure there are lots if reasons for that, but I think it is an interesting problem, one worth trying to figure out.

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      • That’s a good point. I agree and think that most of the school’s “voice” and articles published on here are from girls, which is probably why I kind of get that feeling. Also, if you did ask guys and they had nothing to say, that is not your fault, it is just different from how I feel or act.

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  3. Hi, I am the author of this article, And in no way did I insert any of my own opinion in this article, there are some girls who had contacted me after hearing about this article who wanted to be a part of it, I understand that some of the views of the girls are biased but I am just the interpreter in this situation, I hope you all understand that I wish only for equality. thank you

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    • Funny how you say you didn’t insert any of your own opinions when Kels said “Well, Miss Powell is protected under freedom of speech to write about any subject she feels has an effect on our school. It is her constitutional right, as you stated in your argument, to write about this and to support it wholeheartedly.” So, considering you wrote this entire article, you decided to insert that comment by a student, which is a proxy of your opinion, is it not? Enforcing my point about this and everything being backwards, how come a girl gets her voice on this article but a man’s voice in this article is nowhere to be found. Get back to me on that.

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      • You are right. Journalists make choices. The editors make choices. One of the choices that has been made was to open up the comments section to allow readers to express their voices. You have been using your “voice” in regards to this article unheaded. No one here is trying to stop you. It seems, though, you are suggesting we should not write articles on gender equality because it offends you. That’s not how journalism works. Let’s make a deal. I won’t tell you what to read and you won’t tell us what to write.

        Also, as I understand it, when this article was written boys and girls were approached for comment. None of the boys present had one at that time. It already has been discussed and more effort will be made next time to provide a better balance.

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      • I only put in the comment because it was an interesting point made by a Stacey student. I also tried to get male’s input on this article, in all I asked 15 males if they would be interested in speaking out on this topic, but they all wanted nothing to do with it. Since you have such a strong opinion on this, I would love to have your input, unfortunately, you feel that hiding behind an anonymous screen name to speak your mind, the way I see it if you can’t own up to your own opinions you really shouldn’t be speaking at all. but like you said, it is my opinion.

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  4. @staceycougars

    Now you’re just making up things to argue about. I am not telling you what not to write or what you should right. I’m only saying this article is an absolute disappointment. I am only offended because you’re simply being biased and chose to fit in the “women are accomplishing more than men” statement. It’s kind of hard to make an article about a problem that’s been fixed for a while first off. I assume that’s why you went to deciding to use the opportunity to make 50% of the article a rant about something like this. “This man said a woman should belong in the kitchen, oh, oh no-no-no! We can’t have stuff like this in our country. Absolutely sexist and mean and I feel harassed! We must put a stop to such harassment! Women do so much more than men!” Now, that’s basically a summary of the next part of the article that starts right after “Some feminists at this school feel strongly about this subject.” If you actually would of used fact to back up that students statement, I would of said nothing.

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    • I agree that we should shine a light on how men are also opressed and many things like that, but the example you gave of “Women belong in the kitchen” is also very sexist, and really shouldn’t belong in this country. You basically just contradicted yourself when you said that you dont support sexism, but gave an example of how women are extreme victims of sexism, and only cover it up by calling it “feminism”

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      • What are you talking about? My example was supposed to be pointing out how women feel all oppressed when nothing is oppressing them besides WORDS.

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  5. If you’re going to make an article about topics like this, next time make sure it’s actual fact that can’t be proven wrong.
    Also, leave your entire feminist agenda out of it.

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  6. @Powell
    ” the way I see it if you can’t own up to your own opinions you really shouldn’t be speaking at all”
    You think I want an entire crowd of screeching Social Justice Warriors and Feminists screeching about how oppressed they are and how sexist I am for speaking only the truth?

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  7. I know that this argument ended about a month ago but I am just reading the comments now. I am Emme Armijo and I was the student who made the “Women are accomplishing more than Men” remark. At the time I wasn’t fully thinking about how my words would be interpreted but I realize they have been taken the wrong way. Yes, I do label as a feminist but that doesn’t mean I hate men or I want them to fail. I want equality for all, regardless of sexual orientation, race, religion or gender. When I said “Women are accomplishing more than Men” I simply meant that Women are beginning to become level with Men academically. Since many have been asking for proof, here you go.
    “Last year, 29.9% of men had a bachelor’s degree, while 30.2% of women did, the bureau reports. A decade prior, in 2005, 28.5% of men had bachelor’s degree, while only 26% of women did.” (US Times)
    I wish I had been clearer and re-worded my statement because maybe it would have saved many of the commenters time.
    Miss Powell, if you write another article like this I would love to be interviewed and I will be careful with how I word my statements. Thank you.

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